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Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Free Will and Determinism


Last Monday, our professor in TREDTWO, sir Maningas, was not able to make it to class due to his illness. So, he asked us to go online and meet him up in the IVLE because he was online at that time. When the whole class already had an access to the IVLE, our professor then created chatrooms for each of the groups, with a designated topic for every chatroom. The topic that was assigned to us was DETERMINISM. Here's a copy of our crazy chat. I don't really think that all of my groupmates understood the concept of determinism because some of them believed that FREE WILL and DETERMINISM can go together (and this is something really really stupid so whoever said that this is possible, well, I'm truly sorry but you are, without a doubt, stupid).




PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:40:59 PM...


LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:41:56 PM...


TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:41:59 PM...


[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA]: ayun!


[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Hey, hey. ;-)


VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:42:45 PM...


[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA]: =D


VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:43:18 PM...


OBDIANELA, CHARLES VINCENT PIONILLA is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:44:24 PM...


KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:44:49 PM...


[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO]: hello friends.


[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA]: so what now?


LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:45:55 PM...


ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:46:09 PM...


PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:46:25 PM...


[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL]: Good afternoon. ;-)


MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:46:30 PM...


[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA]: hola.ü


[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA]: yan, red ako ha


[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR]: hello. ano meron?


[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO]: uhm, so we'll discuss about determinism now? do you guys have your research about it?


[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING]: yup...


[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA]: let's do it!


[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING]: let us first define determinism


[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL]: I did some reading.


[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: ako meron. pero hindi ko maintindihan.


[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: guys, game...


[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: wat r we going to discuss?


[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: i'll go first.... Determinism is used to denote the philisophical theory which holds in opposition to the doctrine of free will that all man's volition are invariably determined by pre-existing


[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: define determinism?


[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: circumstances


[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: determinism is the opposiet of free will


[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: opposite


[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: bakit orange na lahat?


[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: yan..[] to []:


[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: Determinism is the philosophical proposition that every event, including human cognition and behaviour, decision and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences.


TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:50:13 PM...


[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: wow wiki


[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: ayan hindi ko xa maintindihan.


[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA] to [ALL]: wiki


[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: very good.


[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: so accdg. to my research, determinism is the theory that all human action is caused entirely by preceding events, and not by the exercise of the Will.


CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:50:31 PM...


[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: ayan ung ankita ko eh


[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: it says that all events are governed by prior events as well. it's a cycle of cause and effect.


[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: determinism is the theory that all human action is caused entirely by preceding events, and not by the exercise of the WILL.


[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: DETERMINISM is subjective, it varies on itsn definition.


[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: determinism - all man's volitions are invariably determine by pre-existing cirucumstances


[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: oh i also got the same definition, mela and mylove


[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: okay. other definitions?


[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: ahh so parang we have a destiny na because of our actions?


[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Hmm.


[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: i think. determinism is the opposite of our free will.


[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: accordfing to my research, determinism is the thesis that states of the universe, at any given point in time, could only occur one possible way, since they are absolutely predetermined by prior cause


[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA] to [ALL]: determinism - Compatibilism argues that both "free will" and "determinism" are compatible and if you believe in one, then you don't necessarily disbelieve in the other.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: is it like we have our 'destiny'?

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: confusing.

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: one possible way..

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so what is determinism in your own words???

[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA] to [ALL]: Free will says that a person can do, think, react as they please without restraint because no-one or thing can alter those actions, however, Determinism states that individuals do, think and react be

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so we can understand it easily....

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: @lylee: actually, in my research, determinism is different from predestination.

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: agree, agree. maybe, the dilemma of determinism is - IF EVERYTHING IS PRE-DETERMINED OR KNOWN BEFORE HAND, doesn't that violate our freedom?

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: what's the role of free will in determinism?

DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 1:53:55 PM...

[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: determinism - the belief that man's actions are the result of antecedent causes has been formulated naturalistically and theistically. the naturalistic view sees human beings as part of the machinery

[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: cont..

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: pero i don't really get the difference. slight lang.

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: Do you guys know "The Secret"? I believe it's pretty much like that.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: alam niyo, wala akong naiintindihan

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: haha

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: nope.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: what's it about?

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: im confused

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: wait

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Law of Attraction? Is that what you're saying, Lylee?

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO]: mar, i think free will doesn't exist in determinism

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: determinisim is the opposite of free will right?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: it's a book/movie mar that tells us that if we use positive energy, our lives will be happy

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: if i'm not mistaken, shaira has read that one already. diba?

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so whats a simple meaning for determinism>>>

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: According to my research determinism is a philosophical proposition of human behavior based "destiny"

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO]: opposute of free will?

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: everything happens because nature dictated it to happen[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: ganun ba?

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: I think we have different definitions..

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: oo nga. pero parang sa the secret, freewill ung may powers eh.

[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: of the universe. in such a worlf every event is caused by the preceding events, which in turn were caused by still erlier events. since man is part of his casual chain., his actions are also determind

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: .. na nakakagulo

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: hehe[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: by antecedent causes

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: teka

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: @vinih: yeah. i believe so.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: this one is interesting: Some philosophers believe that determinism is incompatible with free will, for if we could never actually choose otherwise than we actually do, then how could we..

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so free will is caused by nature???

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: .. be responsible for our actions?

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: i think joseph

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: Determinism is a philosophical proposition that every event, including human cognition and behaviour, decision and action, is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: like it's determined by physics and all sorts

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO]: ha? then what is the exact meaning of determinism?

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: it is from wikipedia

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: I doubt that it is possible to integrate Determinism with Free Will.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: i think so sj

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: its simple.... free will is dictated by nature....

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: in my own understanding......

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: At least that's what I understood from my INTFILO class.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: vinih your definition is very well said....

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: thanks

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: ang pagkakaintindi ko lang. ung determinism, wala tlga taung choice. mangyayari xa at mangyayari dahil sa---alam mo na.

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: agree joseph. clear super yung kay vinih.

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: yes. i agree with bryan.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: yeah walang choice

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: If I were to define Determinism, it would be nothing more than a scapegoat. You know, sometimes, we shun from...

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Responsibility. Which acts a scapegoat for us to integrate our deeds to causality.

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Take this for an instance.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: OK lets a agree on a definition pwede????

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: kasi theres a lot pero we dont know what to follow....

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: determinism is merely a makingn your own decisions

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Hmm.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: im lost

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: *making

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: We make our own decisions, yes. But.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: it's the otehr way around [KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: @che: parang that's not it.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: *other

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: oo nga che.....

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Being human, we still put the blame on others.

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: so ano yon?

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Let's see this as passing or failing a course.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: so it's not making your own decisions?

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: everything is predetermined by nature

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: opposite of having a choice.

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Hold on.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: ah! i think i can define this in my simple words na

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: like you don't have a choice

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: opposite of what you really want

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Go, SJ.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: ohhh[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: it's like set for you already?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: i think determinism is like the idea that we were already planned out beforehand

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: yeah

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: ok SH go....

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: SJ

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: like di ba sabi nga dati na god created us in our mother's womb etc.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: like yes EVERYTHINGS PLANNED

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: and you cannot go against nature

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: it is/was determined already

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: so it's not like we chose to have that

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: so we already have our own destiny?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: it's planned out already

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: correct

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so everything is planned but we think its free will?????

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Hmm. That is absolutely correct.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: is destiny the right term for it?

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: so baliktad nga xa bng freewill.

[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA] to [ALL]:

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: meaning-it is already destined?

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: uhm eto yung point of view ng determinism

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: *ng

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Destiny. Yes, that is it.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: they don;t believe in free will

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: that's the issue between freedom and determinism

Ismael Ireneo P. Maningas Jr. is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 2:00:18 PM...

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: OO! eto ang tinatawag nating TADHANA.

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: shux.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: it's not destiny

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: ok... so determinism can be attributed to destiny???

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: okay. so everyone agrees na that determinism is a philosophy that says all the events in our life is predetermined?

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: hindi ba?

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: yup

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: it's not really destiny

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: yup to joseph

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: theyre contractions to each other?

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: oh yeahs

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: got it.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: wait ah

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: it can be connected with destiny but it's different

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: sige let's put aside destiny na lang

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: yes mela

[OBDIANELA, CHARLES VINCENT PIONILLA] to [ALL]: In determinsim, one dont have a choice becuase everything is planned for his/herl life

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: let's foucs on determinism

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: so its not really destiny cause we still have control on present.

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: i'm just confused between the concept of destiny and free will....

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: yes lylee

[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: uhm, question?

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: disregard destiny

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: so, determinism is not the opposite of free will? we just think that it;s opposite because of the definitions of the two?

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: destiny kc, wala kang choice. ung freewill, sarili mong choice

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: how can we control ? if we know it's already 'determined'?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: free will is when you make your own choices in life as for destiny, it is when things are already "spiritually" planend out

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: basta, in determinism they don't believe in free will

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: not at all

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: yes sj

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: I think it would be necessary to speculate the outcome of this determinism.

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: so determinism, it is caused by other factors?

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Yes, Armine.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so.... determinism is the opposite of free will....

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: psychological ang physical factors

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: thanks bryan

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Of course.

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: yeah. so what if everyone believed in this philosophy?

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: In determinism, since everything has already been planned, it leaves no room for new choices. it supresses your free will.

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: wala ng magf-freewill. ;c

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Well. We'll be less responsible, Carmela.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: in determinism.... a move is caused by something and that something is cause by another thing...

[Ismael Ireneo P. Maningas Jr.] to [ALL]: Do you thnik that determinism is the same with fate.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: if everyone believed in this philosphy i think they would not do any action

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: so we dont make decisions...?

[MAULA, SHAIRA MAE GASPAR] to [ALL]: yes?

[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: FREE WILL IS THE ABILITY OF MAKE DECISIONS TAHT ARE NOT COMPLETELY COMPELLED BY NATURAL, SOCIAL, OR DIVINE RESTRAINTS.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: but in free will... you think that you are the master of your destiny...

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: since everything else is predetermined

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: we will just go with the flow?

[Ismael Ireneo P. Maningas Jr.] to [ALL]: Dont use yellow Joseph.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: ok....

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: no sir.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: fate and destiny can be the same but i dont think that fate and determinismk is the same

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: so, is believing in this kind of philosophy a bad thing?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: they can be confusing though

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: fate is te same with destiny.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: so i think determinism is going with the flow of nature,....

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Most certainly, yes.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: is it similar sj?

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: yes I believe so. Cause there are a lot of choices. But we can only choose one. THenn we dont really have free will.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: look i got this one

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: lylee, so your saying that free will is not really present???

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: every incident in the history of the universe is the inevitable outcome of the mechanical and physical movements

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: every incident in the history of the universe is the inevitable outcome of the mechanical and physical movements

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: i think it's bad since we are given free will to choose

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: they can be similar in the sense that fate/destiny and determinism is planned already but in determinism, there is still that possibility that free will can take over your decision

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: so in determinism we don't make our choice because we have no choice already....????

SANZ, APRIL VINA OCAMPO is entering Chat Room at 7/21/2008 2:05:56 PM...

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: about destiny: " deterministic view is expressed religiously in the Calvinist doctrine of predestination"

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: okay okay. so the problem with this theory is that it contradicts the teachings of the Church that God gave us Free Will?

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: oh gets sj. thanks

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: yes... i think so mela...

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: cause it's philosphical

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: mela , i think your right...

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: yup. i think so too mela

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: yes mela

[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA] to [ALL]: tama ba ung example ko ng determinism? - some people are born as homosexual or heterosexual, so they are motivated to do the behaviour as what they are born as.

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]:

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: i think roi

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: maybe

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: parang they have no choice...?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: exactly mela

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: i think so roi

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]: yes mela

[PANGILINAN, MYLOVE PARADA] to [ALL]: So ccchn ba ntin c GOd dahil bngyn nia tau ng free will?

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Mhm.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: yeahp i think so too

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: yes. i believe so.

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: i don't think so

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: no.

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: i think... this is just a theory mylove....

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: haha]

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: No, Mylove.

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: i dont think so mylove

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: theory lang so it's a point of view

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: hindi. kasi depende naamn sa atin un eh.

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: hehe! hindi naman mylove. i think its determinism that's flawed and not the catholic faith

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]: Theories are, after all, falsifiable.

[TAMETA, CHEYENNE LED CADAVOS] to [ALL]: joseph is right DETERMINISM is only a theory

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: @mylove: actually, it depends on the person naman if they want to see things that way.

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: what's our objective ba?

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: the free will exists so that we can change our lives. we may have been born homosexual/heterosexual (which is seen as sinful) but we are given the choice to straighten our lives with free will

[CHEN, MARIEL HOPE CO] to [ALL]: yeap kaya there are a lot of contracdictions and all regarding this issue

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: it is a theory and it is not proven a fact....

[VALDEZ, ROI LUIGI ARCEGA] to [ALL]: i would judge religion to be determinism tapos others free will

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: yes. these are just theories.

[KANLAPAN, MA. THERESA CARMELA ELBO] to [ALL]: @roi: what do you mean?

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]: so. parang ung FREE WILL<>

[DE LA CRUZ, MARY VHINILENE ABRAHAM] to [ALL]: BUT NOT AT THE SAME TIME

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: ISANG BAGSAK PARA SATING LAHAT

[VELASCO, JOSEPH CHING] to [ALL]: hahaha

[LANTIN, ARMINE JOY PADURA] to [ALL]:

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]: bagsak na grade?

[PASCUA, MARIAN LYLEE SERAFICA] to [ALL]:

[TAD-Y, STEFFI BEATRICE CANDELARIO] to [ALL]: yehey.

[ALMANZOR, SYLVELYN JO ABERILLA] to [ALL]:

[LIRA, KIM BRYAN MAGTAL] to [ALL]:

7/22/2008 01:55:00 PM

Monday, July 21, 2008

Thoughts on Jose Rizal


“I want to show those who deny us patriotism that we know how to die for our duties and for our convictions. What matters death if one dies for what one holds dearest; for one’s country and for the people one loves?”

“….I have always loved my unfortunate motherland. Whatever be my fate, I shall die blessing her and wishing for the dawn of her redemption.”


These are a few lines from the letter that Jose Rizal wrote while he was in Hongkong. This letter was written on June 20, 1892, and was addressed to the Filipino people. Rizal wrote this letter before his departure for Manila. His loved ones warned him not to come back to the Philippines if he valued his life. It was during that time that he published his novel El Filibusterismo, and so he was accused by the Spanish authorities of being a filibustero. I chose to highlight this particular event or happening in Rizal’s life because it clearly shows why Jose Rizal should be our national hero. And if I may say so myself, Rizal’s choice to head back to the Philippines even if he knew the dangers he would be facing, is one huge sacrifice that he did for his countrymen.


If placed in such a horrifying predicament, I never would have done what Rizal did. I won’t be a hypocrite. I don’t have that kind of bravery. If I were Rizal, I would have stayed in Hongkong and preserved my life so that I could live longer. Why would I want to sacrifice my life for my countrymen? What good have they done for me? Like what Joseph and I would always say to each other whenever we don’t find things relevant to our lives, “ANO BANG BEARING NITO SA BUHAY KO?”. Truly enough, an expression of selfishness. And what does this say about Jose Rizal? What does my interpretation of Rizal’s actions say about our national hero? Well, just one thing. He’s not like me. He’s the opposite of me. And so he’s brave unlike me. He’s patriotic, definitely unlike me. And I am very much convinced that if I would survey the people asking them if they’re willing to die for their country, I’d probably get almost 100% No’s. This is the reality that the world is facing. Almost all of us are afraid to die. We do every possible means to avoid death, and so if you ask the youth of today if Rizal’s decision to go back to Manila was a brilliant move, they’d say no. This is what makes Rizal different from other heroes, well particularly Andres Bonifacio. According to my research, when Bonifacio was about to be shot, he was on his knees begging for his life to be spared. If this incident were held true, I wouldn’t want to discuss further this issue between Bonifacio and Rizal for the rightful title of National hero of the Philippines. Obviously enough, Rizal has proven himself more worthy of the title. And so rap everything up, I would like to end this reflection paper with a few lines from the poem of Jose Rizal, Land that I love, Farewell.

“Land that I love, whose grief is my own
I leave you father, mother, all my affections,
I go where there are no slaves, no oppressors.
I go where faith does not kill.

Farewell to all I love; peace has been waiting long.
Farewell, sweet foreigner, my true love, my delight.
All that I cherish, farewell – dear earth, dear life.
I die. I shall rest. It is well.”

7/21/2008 06:21:00 PM

Sunday, July 20, 2008

This Strange and Awful day continues..

Later this day, my sister texted and told me that she'll be visiting me here in my ever-humble dwelling, my dorm. I didn't know how I was supposed to feel. Should I feel excited because I was finally going to see my sister after quite some time? Or bothered, coz of the reason for her sudden coming? Well, I kind of felt a little of both. There was excitement and anxiety.

When the intercom rang, I immediately knew that my sister was already downstairs waiting for me. I fixed myself up, answered the phone, told Ate Cherry i'll be down in a jiffy, got my wallet, and rushed downstairs to meet my sister.

And there she was, thin as a stick as ever (okay, maybe I'm a exaggerating a bit). She was with a friend named Kat, if I'm not mistaken, whom she introduced to me. I anxiously greeted them both, then immediately cleared things up with my sister. I soon found out that she was, like some of the people I know, already part of this Networking business. My sister told me that this new business of hers can earn her tons of money, and that it was the latest trend among students these days. She encouraged me to join as well this business which she called 'UNO' so that I could also benefit from it. She told me that she would recommend me to the organizers of some sort of this business so that my membership would be easy. Although I wasn't really aware of the perks and essence of this UNO networking business, I doubtfully declined her offer. My sister and her friend didn't stay that long. I just needed to give my sister stuff from mom so they really didn't have any more reasons remain for too long. As soon as they left, I went to ministop, bought something to eat (hadn't eaten breakfast nor lunch at that time), and got back up to my room.

My sister really got me thinking. That UNO thing sounds fun. Should I reconsider?

7/20/2008 10:18:00 PM


An Awful Day it seems

I was sound asleep on my bed, still savoring the fleeting happiness that I had in my dream when suddenly, I was startled by the loud ringing of my phone. It was vibrating roughly beside my pillow. I annoyingly reached for it, ready to answer the call and condemn whoever that was on my receiver. I heard the voice of my mom, asking me if I was still asleep. Of course, I thought to myself. I just answered her with a plain yes, and immediately asked her where she was. And her reply shattered my spirits to the core.

Who would have thought that last friday would be the last time I would see her? Who would have thought that our parting at Carriedo would be the most excruciating memory of her that I would ever have? Damn it. Had I known, I would have cancelled my prior engagements to actually spend the day with her. Had I known that her leaving would be sooner than I thought, I should have ditched my elbi trip and went straight back to manila to meet her up. I knew it. I already had the feeling that she would leave soon, a whole lot sooner. It would be months, or years even, before we finally see each other again. And when that time comes, I don't know if I'd still be the same person that I am now. I don't know if I would still feel the same towards our relationship as mother and daughter. Sure we would chat all the time through Yahoo Messenger, and she'd call me from time to time, but our conversations would be extremely different from before she left. Things would just not be like they used to be. No. Not anymore.

"Eto, nasa airport," she replied.
"Ha? Anong ginagawa mo dyan?" I asked, surprised by her answer.
"Eh biglang naconfirm na ngayon na daw yung alis ko eh. Kahapong 3pm ko lang nalaman kaya nagmamadali ako nagpack eh,"
"Ahh.." I replied. My voice was almost too soft to be even heard.
"Oh, may sakit ka pa?" my mom asked.
I coughed loudly. "Oo, meron pa eh. Pero medyo okay okay na naman," I managed to answer.
"Uminom ka na ba ng gamot?"
"Oo.."
"O yun. Basta. Regular dapat ang pag-inom ng gamot. Atsaka dapat kumain ka ng maraming maraming fruits. Kainin mo yung dinala ko dyang grapes ah. Maganda yun sa katawan para maging healthy ka,"
"Okay," I sounded bleak.
"O sha. Sige. Magpahinga ka na ah. Ingat ka dyan," she reminded me, her voice filled with sincerity.
"Ikaw din, sige,"
"Bye"
"Okay, bye!"
"I love you,"
"I love you too! Bye.."I pushed the end button on my phone. Soon after, tears endlessly fell down my eyes as if there was no tomorrow waiting.

Truly, one will never know the importance of something until it's gone.

7/20/2008 10:50:00 AM

Saturday, July 19, 2008

A Day at Kuya's Center (Bahay ni Kuya)

I had my CSP (Community Service Program) today at 6 St. Michael St. near Betty-go Belmonte Station. I, together with my groupmates, had some kind of interaction with the kids there at the center. We prepared some activities (games and such) to keep them busy, and to get to know them as well. Last night, I was bummed to death by my sickness (dreadful colds and caugh) so I didn't really have the energy to think about the CSP. I didn't even want to attend that CSP. Besides, I don't really have the skills (and probably the guts) to talk, or to play with children, because I don't like children. I don't like dealing with their mischievous deeds. Precisely why I chose secondary education. Surprisingly enough, as soon as I got to know each one of those kids, I felt different. Yes, they sure were naughty, and crazy (not exaggerating!), but they're fun to be with. Somehow, they made me feel safe. I was able to forget all my worries at that time. I didn't think of EDUTECH2, ENGLRES, TREDTWO, MYTHFOLK, STGEART, KASPIL1, FSTUDY3, or LISREAD. The children in that center were the only ones that occupied my mind. For a short time in this busy and chaotic life of mine, I felt happy and free (some might think it stupid). At the end of the day, I was dead tired. But it was all worth it. So all of you there at Kuya's center (Benny, Daniel, Lorence, Marcos, Regie, Michael, Ryan, Vincent, Mark, Jomarie, Jose, Edsel, Sonny Boy, Marjun, and other kids whose names I failed to remember) THANK YOU. I'll never forget this day. This day when I've actually felt a fleeting rapture of that being alive.






7/19/2008 07:23:00 PM